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State Senator Mary Lazich (R-New Berlin) represents parts of four counties: Milwaukee, Waukesha, Racine, and Walworth. Her Senate District 28 includes New Berlin, Franklin, Greendale, Hales Corners, Muskego, Waterford, Big Bend and parts of Greenfield, East Troy, and Mukwonago. Senator Lazich has been in the Legislature for more than a decade. She considers herself a tireless crusader for lower taxes, reduced spending and smaller government.

Slowing down on roundabouts

By Mary Lazich
Friday, Sep 19 2008, 12:33 PM


The state of Wisconsin seems to be on a roundabout binge. The philosophy of the state Department of Transportation (DOT) is that whenever major intersection improvements on state roads or four-way stops are planned, the installation of roundabouts must be considered. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on August 24, 2008 that statewide, there are 58 roundabouts open on state and local roads, seven to 10 more are scheduled to open by the end of the construction season, and 140 or more are in various planning stages.

Before the state proceeds with its plan to blanket roadways with roundabouts, it should slow down and I have made that request to the DOT. I have also asked the DOT to rethink the roundabout at Racine Avenue and I-43 in Muskego because of concerns with the roundabout at I-43 and Moorland Road in New Berlin.

The design at the New Berlin roundabout left much to be desired with poor signage and lane markings. There have been a number of accidents at the roundabout, not to mention a high level of anxiety and frustration. There are also complaints about the roundabout on Drexel Avenue in Franklin near Highway 100 and the new Shoppes at Wyndham Village.

Some of my constituents that have corresponded with me about roundabouts have been receptive to the roundabout concept. They agree with the DOT that roundabouts improve safety and reduce crashes. The DOT contends, “Roundabouts move traffic safely through an intersection because of slower speeds, fewer conflict points, and decision-making. Studies by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety show that roundabouts provide a 90% reduction in fatal crashes, 76% reduction in injury crashes, 30-40% reduction in pedestrian crashes, and a 10% reduction in bicycle crashes.”

However, constituents I have heard from angrily oppose roundabouts. I am very concerned about the danger posed by roundabouts resulting in accidents. There are other concerns including poor signage and lane markings that I have already indicated. What about semi-trailer trucks?  The configuration of roundabouts makes it extremely difficult for semi-trailers, long trucks, campers, and cars with boats to successfully negotiate the turns.

Proponents at the DOT suggest frustrated motorists, in time, and with more education will learn to accept roundabouts.  How does DOT  adequately train the masses, the vast number of motorists on our roadways?  Most of them will never get their hands on a DOT brochure or see a roundabout video on the DOT website.

That is why I suggest the state put the brakes on roundabouts until the kinks can be worked out. The idea is to improve all aspects of roundabouts: design, safety, ease of use. The DOT should bring together special study groups of designers, engineers, and importantly motorists to determine the best model for roundabouts. I have asked the DOT to conduct simulations with a cross-section of Wisconsin drivers and cross-section of vehicles before proceeding further with roundabouts.

Until then, the state should put away the plans to build more and more because the current roundabout design at I-43 and Moorland Road is not ready for prime time.

Comments

Ralph Heun   

This exactly the concerns that I and NBCRG expressed to the DOT last year.

I was accused of knowing more than safety engineers and therefore my comments were wrong. The Moorland/I43 intersections are the biggest in the state and the DOT has not given it proper study to see if it works as expected.

I suggested to the DOT meeting at New Berlin City Hall on Tuesday that the pipes blocking the left lane in the South Roundabout on Moorland, be removed in effort to facilitate traffic movement and the next day I heard from the DOT that they did not think removing the pipes could be done before the end of construction after November 15.

As you are well aware, anytime Government initiates projects there is absolutely no stopping it. Examples are: Computer systems that never work, Voter registration lists that are years behind in implementing and others too numerous to mention.

Ralph Heun

September 19, 2008 2:30 PM

Paul Nelson   

If people wouldn't be so afraid of change and learn how to approach and enter roundabouts, they'd find them much safer and more efficient that stoplights or, worse, 4-way stop-sign intersections.

September 19, 2008 2:37 PM

Mark Musselman   

Time Magazine claims that drivers’ “heightened anxiety” while using roundabouts results in more careful driving.   Pedestrians crossing where a car is leaving the circle must take a leap of faith that the anxious driver, who is watching for other anxious drivers, will see and yield to them.  Additionally, pedestrians in the crosswalk median do not know if an approaching car will continue around or turn out of the circle until the last second.

There are many advantages to roundabouts, but this design is simply not perfected.  Perhaps the outer lanes can be widened to accommodate tractor-trailers and bicycles.  In the DOT literature, trucks use both lanes as they maneuver the circle from the outside lane and cars must “give them plenty of space”.  The DOT advises bicyclists to “assert their position” to use a full lane.  Only a fool would do so in busy traffic.

The DOT claims that fewer accidents occur in round about intersections.  Perhaps part of the reason is that some drivers simply avoid them.

Another alarming aspect is the arrogant attitude of the designers.  They won’t change it, even if the people and the city council oppose it.  We are the owners – and yet we are told to get used to it.   If you support a moratorium until such issues are resolved, let your elected state officials know now.  They are the most likely people to successfully intervene for you.

September 19, 2008 10:47 PM

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September 21, 2008 2:39 PM

RickKG   

The reason people don't like roundabouts is because it interrupts them from using their cell phones! That's why we need more roundabouts.

September 22, 2008 7:37 AM

fvkeller   

Sen. Lazich:

On another topic, please read my recent blog post:

fvkeller.squarespace.com/.../is-alderman-steve-olson-grandstanding-again.html

I was inspired to write this post after reading the following post by your aide Kevin Fischer:

blogs.franklinnow.com/.../ordinance9_2F00_21_2F00_08.aspx

And particlarly by these comments:

"This proposal makes perfect sense. In these tough budget times, why should the city taxpayers fund gas mileage, dining, or any other expenses for the mayor and aldermen? If they wish to travel out of town to attend a government-related seminar or conference, let them pay out of their own pockets.

If any alderman plans to vote against this proposal, I would dearly love to hear that alderman explain his/her opposition to city taxpayers."

Can your constituents count on your support for reducing state spending when it comes to travel and entertainment in both the executive and legislative branches of Wisconsin state government?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Fred V. Keller

Franklin, WI

fvkeller1@yahoo.com

September 22, 2008 3:20 PM

JoeBlow   

I finally agree with something Ralph Heun says ... I hate to miss the rare opportunity to agree with him.  

The roundabout in NB at the Ridge Theater is stupid and poorly designed.  Anyone can see that.  (Even Ralph).

September 22, 2008 6:37 PM

RickKG   

The roundabout in New Berlin is designed perfectly, people just do not understand how to use it.

September 23, 2008 7:19 AM

luke   

Maybe it is designed perfectly, but the fact is that most WI drivers don't know how to drive in a roundabout so putting one in a busy intersection for them to get used to it is not the brightest idea.

While fatal traffic accidents are down, injury accidents are down, etc.  what is the rate of property damage to vehicles due to fender benders or side swipes?  

I think the roundabout looks nice but is not practical in that area.

September 23, 2008 9:29 AM

RickKG   

To Luke,

I agree with your comments but where I disagree about the roundabout is that it was not a bad idea, the problem at that particular area was that they only have one exit for the Ridge Cinema they really should have planned more exits to disperse the traffic better.

September 24, 2008 7:51 AM

Beverly Thomas   

That roundabout works just fine.  It's the people who are afraid of change that don't work just fine.

September 24, 2008 12:26 PM

Conservatively Speaking   

I will be one of the moderators at a Wisconsin Department of Transportation (DOT) public information

October 8, 2008 12:05 PM

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